Ground-layer and high-order adaptive optics with adaptive secondary mirrors Michael Hart (U. Arizona) The adaptive optics group at Arizona has been pushing novel AO technologies for two decades now. The first closed-loop demonstration of a sodium laser guide star was made in the mid 90s at the old MMT, when it still was a Multiple Mirror Telescope, which also saw the first use of a focal-plane wavefront sensor to co-phase a segmented aperture telescope in real time. In more recent work, the new 6.5 m MMT now hosts the first adaptive secondary mirror. The very clean thermal signature of an AO system that does not require warm reimaging optics makes the MMT the most sensitive ground-based telescope in the world for high-resolution point source imaging in the thermal IR. In addition, the large physical size of the ASM preserves a high etendue, which has been exploited in the first demonstration of laser-guided ground-layer AO. That system is now being transitioned to science operations. Building on our experience with the MMT's adaptive secondary, two more have been built for the Large Binocular Telescope with upgraded design and improved performance. The first of those has been put into service at the LBT. In this talk, I will very briefly review some of the historical highlights before describing results from the ground-layer AO work at the MMT, and the first light AO work at the LBT. I will end with a few remarks about the bigger picture of where all this is headed in the context of science from the forthcoming Extremely Large Telescopes.